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The Filipino Audience and The Charice Formula
Posted On 08/17/2009 03:28:22 by Jesicho

The sad truth of it all is that - for the most part but not all of course - the Filipino audience in PI in general (NOT ALL) seems to be harder to please. I believe Charice even hinted to this fact in one of her interviews. Now, whether this characterization is justified in that they have a right to be so critical, I believe is an answer that is best left to the subjective arena. At the end of the day, the degrees of separation between public perspectives will simply be a matter of taste – the latter of which will not only differ between cultures but will be greatly influenced by many intangible factors, namely, insecurities, jealousies, etc.

Will this distinction of being more difficult to please ever diminish, probably not, as it seems to be engrained in the dark recesses of the entertainment culture of the Philippines. Perhaps one can even say that its beginnings can be tied to the country's colonial past - who knows. The fact is (good or bad) it is a small part of the equation that is the Philippines. All we can do is accept it and deal with in the best positive light that we can because short of an epiphany, I do not think anything will change this attitude.

In the context of Charice, while we all want what is best for her and feel that it would probably be better for her to focus her energies here in North America, let us not forget she is a very proud Filipina (and rightly so) who enjoys and loves performing for her Kababayans in the Philippines. The latter is part of the Magic that is Charice. To alter this formula at the present time that creates this magic may yield negative results. A fact that even David Foster and Oprah I think understand.

I hope I haven’t rubbed anyone the wrong way with this Blog as its intent is not to instigate a contentious debate about perceptions of the Filipino audience or PI vs North America, but rather to highlight certain observations that I have made over the recent months, particulary the fact that it would appear PI (for now) seems to play a very important role for Charice. In this respect, knowing the type of vultures that exist in PI as it pertains to the entertainment industry (news media included), I believe we need to remain steadfast in our support of Charice cause I am pretty sure that the bigger she gets (and I believe we all know she will) the crazier the controversies will be. Just imagine when she gets a boyfriend. I think the media will be all over her and the poor guy.


Jesicho

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From: Jesicho
08/19/2009 05:19:49


Jessica86s wrote:

Well hello there rct. I see you've met our dear Jesicho and some of the more active bloggers. Welcome and I'm really happy to see you interact immediately with our finest. I hope you keep it up and you become addicted too just as we all probably are. LOL.



Jesicho, I tend to agree with DavidPoster (wonder if you're falsevoice too) in this one and in a way, or in a less direct way I would have described the Filipino audience like that. Not the Filipinos here in the US though, with regards to their reactions and expression of appreciation of Charice anyway.



You know there are a lot more examples one could use to substantiate this claim about the Filipino audience. This is one of the reasons why I believe that Charice is just wasting her time and effort in the PI. She cannot change the customs or culture there and the best thing for her to do to advance her career is to make the best performance abroad and the Filipinos shall surely follow.



Anyway, i'm tired and have to go to bed. But nice to see you guys again. I'll catch you later. Take care and be safe everyone.



Ciao


Hi Jessica !

I guess having been raised outside PI has somewhat clouded my understanding of many things. Yes, DavidPoster certainly does bring up a most interesting aspect of the Filipino culture which (indeed) is quite enlightening.

In any case, Charice's Album is right around the corner, so I am confident in the belief that the unfortunate obstacles which she has been forced to contend with in PI will soon be a thing of the past. The latter of which will hopefully act as the catalyst in regard to changing the PI entertainment industry's attitude of Charice towards a more positive light and of course waking up all those who were once to insecure to express their love and adoration for Charice for the talented singer and beautiful person that she is.

Cya around chat!


Jesicho







From: Jesicho
08/19/2009 04:12:07


rct22155 wrote:

To Noellen, Jesicho, Alexg and 18wheeler,



I believe Noellen's statement is true regarding the different cultural practices and expressions of appreciation even within the Filipino culture alone. You have the Ilocano's, Igorots, Mangyans, Tibolis, Ilonggos, Negrenses, Cebuanos, Batanguenos and the list goes on until the door. Each have different customs, just as their dialects. But I have witnessed these diverse micro(inter-filipino) cultural differences vanish when they are mixed together and no one tribe is dominant in number or character, meaning all things being equal and no one has undue advantage. All these come to a harmonious mix (thank God) and it becomes sort of a follow the leader or whatever seems to be the fad or what everyone is doing.



For example, in the concerts of Charice or her appearances before multitudes here in the US like the one at the Madison Square Garden with Celine DIon, people gave her a standing ovation and a lot of people shouted, yelled and cheered too. This is clear even in very controlled audiences such as in Oprah WInfrey and Ellen DeGeneres shows where the gracious hosts themselves, indulged in this seemingly improper and rowdy type of expression of appreciation of Charice's performances. Surprisingly, in the Paul O'Grady show in the UK, the Brittons, known to be "stuck to their seats", snotty and critical are the hardest to please or impress type of audience. But they gave Charice a standing ovation and I could clearly hear cajoles and rowdy yells from that British audience, which is not typical of them. And to make this thing more puzzling is, just the previous week before Charice's appearance on that same show, Mariah Carey performed there and got just the regular standard show of appreciation. This really made both Charice's performance and the subsequent response thereto extraordinary and unheard of, emphasizing the magnificent talent of that little girl. We could just go on even to the Netherlands where Charice performed for the Feyenords opening of the soccer season. I guess that group was undeniably the rowdiest kind of audience, but still appreciative of Charice and her talent.



Now I wonder if this type of behavior or uncontrolled expression of appreciation for an exceptional talent is more common for the westerners and is alien or taboo to the Filipinos! But as I have seen in Charice's latest performance in Las Vegas, where about 80 % of the audience was clearly Filipino, I could see that the "rowdy" show of appreciation was understandably initiated by Filipinos, including standing ovation. (they didn't bother waiting for the end of the song and sometimes you'd think that they'd rather stand all throughout Charice's performance)



I find it quite subduing to see her own kind give Charice less than what foreigners give her. In terms of appreciation and recognition. It is sad, but I guess maybe it's like getting a praise or appreciative comment from family. You cannot and probably should not expect the same kind of expression of appreciation you would get from a non-family member for something you did for a relative. By blood or affinity, it is expected that you do it out of duty and thats what family is for. But doing the very same thing for someone else whom you have no blood relationship whatsoever, I guess would naturally get more appreciation because it was done or given not out of duty but charity. (HHHMMM I wonder if that makes sense) That's how I would think the comparrison of the FIlipino audience's expression to Charice is against the way the foreign audiences show their appreciation for CHarice. It sounds like a far fetch and lame excuse to try and defend the Filipinos but I can sort of understand where Noellen is coming from.



And then again, as we continue to observe, it sort of hits you in the face and sooner or later it's going to go back to what that pretty young nurse writer of Chariceworld often quotes from the bible,(I wonder how she does that) "A prophet is honored except in his own town". This is very clear with the treatment of Jesus by the people of His own hometown when they heard of the magnificent things Jesus was doing and implied disbelief because He was just the son of one of the town's very own struggling carpenters. And scary so to say this but His "cababayans", through their high priests were the ones who initiated the bad talk and accusations that lead to creating a probable cause for His arrest and trial. Well this is just as far fetched again guys . But I really did enjoy the exercise. I haven't had this in a long time. Thanks and as 18wheeler said or would say, "rock on". LOL





Hi RCT !

I am glad that you are enjoying CW Aside from the fact that it is a home for Chasters who adore and love Charice, it is also a place to have fun.

Thank you for your insight into this issue which I had no idea would generate so much  fervour. That said, I must admit it is so awesome to see the sharing of thoughts and ideas by wonderful Chasters such as yourself, Alex, 18, Noellen, DavidPoster and Jessica.

All the best!

Jesicho







From: Jesicho
08/19/2009 03:40:20


DavidPoster wrote:

Great article and I have the answer for you Jesicho....



The filipino audience are not hard to please at all...In fact, they are among the easiest to please...Just watch the variety shows like Wowowee and ASAP and see how very easy to please they are....I mean the dancers are uncoordinated, seemingly do the same dance every week for the past 20 years and their singers sing out of tune frequently....they even tolerate the corniest comedians......i used to think Boy Abunda and Kris are the only hosts in the whole country because they seem to host everything...and the filipinos dont complain about that.....the problem with the filipino audience and people is not that they are hard to please...The truth is, and hear me out on this, is that the men of the Philippines are wimps....they have no guts and have no leaders, they are just followers like sheep....just think, the best and only honest president they have ever had is a woman...as a matter of fact, she is not even an educated politician, just a housewife...99% of filipino families are lead by and raised by the mother, while the husband is out getting drunk and hanging out with his other loser barkada friends.....just think about Charice's father?.........because Charice is not part of the mainstream celebrity A-list in the Philippine entertainment industry, the audience are reluctant to cheer because they don't like to draw attention to themselves.. in other words, they kind of wait to see how everyone else reacts before they will reveal their true feelings...because of the bad media publicity that is going around in the Phil. regarding Charice, which is simply due to jealousy and overprotection of their favorite stars like Sara G., individuals don't want to reveal themselves as a fan of Charice because they will be ridiculed by others....Filipinos don't have the guts to stand by anyone unless the majority already admits to it....Now I don't know quite how people will react to this, but I tell you it is the 100% truth and everyone knows it, they just are too chicken to admit it....but another part of the formula is that whenever Charice performs live in the Phil., the quality of the musicians are so inadequate that they don't get to see the true level of talent that Charice has..... if her performances in the Phil. was my only exposure to Charice, then I would not be so impressed...but mark my words, once Charice releases her international album and becomes a superstar, the Filipino audience wont be afraid to support her anymore....like I said, they will follow but they won't lead....so Charice really should not worry about the Filipino audience, remember they didn't discover her, StarKing and Ellen and Oprah did....but once her talent is fully uncovered with her international albums, and the awards and recognitions and radio airtime is worldwide, the filipino audience will follow....of course, a few of them will stubbornly be haters but that is normal....so that is the unfortunate truth Jesicho.....inside every Filipino loves Charice, they are just too afraid to show it right now because the majority and mainstream media have not yet accepted Charice...that's the sad and pitiful truth! don't believe for one second that they have a higher standard for singing talent.....if they will buy Willie's records, give me a break...



Hi DavidPoster !

Thank you so much for taking the time to write this. It is not only very much appreciated, in that, it is evident it came from the heart, but it is most definitely an interesting element of the entire equation - all be it a sad one.

I am going to look at the positive side of what you wrote, if you don't mind - hehe. That "inside every Filipino loves Charice," because like the truth (which has this innate ability to always be set free) I believe "this love" will, like you said, inevitably be expressed once Charice's Album is released and takes the world by storm.

I am sure I am not alone in my sentiments when I say sure do hope to see more of your constructive heartfelt writing in the future

Cheers !


Jesicho







From: Jessica86s
08/18/2009 09:43:32

Well hello there rct. I see you've met our dear Jesicho and some of the more active bloggers.  Welcome and I'm really happy to see you interact immediately with our finest.  I hope you keep it up and you become addicted too just as we all probably are. LOL.


Jesicho, I tend to agree with DavidPoster (wonder if you're falsevoice too) in this one and in a way, or in a less direct way I would have described the Filipino audience like that. Not the Filipinos here in the US though, with regards to their reactions and expression of appreciation of Charice anyway.


You know there are a lot more examples one could use to substantiate this claim about the Filipino audience. This is one of the reasons why I believe that Charice is just wasting her time and effort in the PI. She cannot change the customs or culture there and the best thing for her to do to advance her career is to make the best performance abroad and the Filipinos shall surely follow.


Anyway, i'm tired and have to go to bed. But nice to see you guys again. I'll catch you later.  Take care and be safe everyone.


Ciao



From: DavidPoster
08/18/2009 04:15:27

Great article and I have the answer for you Jesicho....


The filipino audience are not hard to please at all...In fact, they are among the easiest to please...Just watch the variety shows like Wowowee and ASAP and see how very easy to please they are....I mean the dancers are uncoordinated, seemingly do the same dance every week for the past 20 years and their singers sing out of tune frequently....they even tolerate the corniest comedians......i used to think Boy Abunda and Kris are the only hosts in the whole country because they seem to host everything...and the filipinos dont complain about that.....the problem with the filipino audience and people is not that they are hard to please...The truth is, and hear me out on this, is that the men of the Philippines are wimps....they have no guts and have no leaders, they are just followers like sheep....just think, the best and only honest president they have ever had is a woman...as a matter of fact, she is not even an educated politician, just a housewife...99% of filipino families are lead by and raised by the mother, while the husband is out getting drunk and hanging out with his other loser barkada friends.....just think about Charice's father?.........because Charice is not part of the mainstream celebrity A-list in the Philippine entertainment industry, the audience are reluctant to cheer because they don't like to draw attention to themselves.. in other words, they kind of wait to see how everyone else reacts before they will reveal their true feelings...because of the bad media publicity that is going around in the Phil. regarding Charice, which is simply due to jealousy and overprotection of their favorite stars like Sara G., individuals don't want to reveal themselves as a fan of Charice because they will be ridiculed by others....Filipinos don't have the guts to stand by anyone unless the majority already admits to it....Now I don't know quite how people will react to this, but I tell you it is the 100% truth and everyone knows it, they just are too chicken to admit it....but another part of the formula is that whenever Charice performs live in the Phil., the quality of the musicians are so inadequate that they don't get to see the true level of talent that Charice has..... if her performances in the Phil. was my only exposure to Charice, then I would not be so impressed...but mark my words, once Charice releases her international album and becomes a superstar, the Filipino audience wont be afraid to support her anymore....like I said, they will follow but they won't lead....so Charice really should not worry about the Filipino audience, remember they didn't discover her, StarKing and Ellen and Oprah did....but once her talent is fully uncovered with her international albums, and the awards and recognitions and radio airtime is worldwide, the filipino audience will follow....of course, a few of them will stubbornly be haters but that is normal....so that is the unfortunate truth Jesicho.....inside every Filipino loves Charice, they are just too afraid to show it right now because the majority and mainstream media have not yet accepted Charice...that's the sad and pitiful truth! don't believe for one second that they have a higher standard for singing talent.....if they will buy Willie's records, give me a break...



From: Jesicho
08/17/2009 16:05:47


I8wheeleredy wrote:

let me post my comment later...need to make sure im first....heheh



CHARICE ROCKS....CHARICE RULZ....

Haha - You should think of changing your name to the "First18wheeleredy" - hehe

Cheers

Jes



From: I8wheeleredy
08/17/2009 11:21:44

heheh jesicho...i was heck a shy ...and an A** when i was in PI. That didn't change when i came here in States. Only when i found out about CHARICE...my life completely changed.



From: rct22155
08/17/2009 11:13:21

To Noellen, Jesicho, Alexg and 18wheeler,


I believe Noellen's statement is true regarding the different cultural practices and expressions of appreciation even within the Filipino culture alone. You have the Ilocano's, Igorots, Mangyans, Tibolis, Ilonggos, Negrenses, Cebuanos, Batanguenos and the list goes on until the door. Each have different customs, just as their dialects. But I have witnessed these diverse micro(inter-filipino) cultural differences vanish when they are mixed together and no one tribe is dominant in number or character, meaning all things being equal and no one has undue advantage. All these come to a harmonious mix (thank God) and it becomes sort of a follow the leader or whatever seems to be the fad or what everyone is doing.


For example, in the concerts of Charice or her appearances before multitudes here in the US like the one at the Madison Square Garden with Celine DIon, people gave her a standing ovation and a lot of people shouted, yelled and cheered too. This is clear even in very controlled audiences such as in Oprah WInfrey and Ellen DeGeneres shows where the gracious hosts themselves, indulged in this seemingly improper and rowdy type of expression of appreciation of Charice's performances.  Surprisingly, in the Paul O'Grady show in the UK, the Brittons, known to be "stuck to their seats", snotty and critical are the hardest to please or impress type of audience. But they gave Charice a standing ovation and I could clearly hear cajoles and rowdy yells from that British audience, which is not typical of them. And to make this thing more puzzling is, just the previous week before Charice's appearance on that same show, Mariah Carey performed there and got just the regular standard show of appreciation. This really made both Charice's performance and the subsequent response thereto extraordinary and unheard of, emphasizing the magnificent talent of that little girl. We could just go on even to the Netherlands where Charice performed for the Feyenords opening of the soccer season. I guess that group was undeniably the rowdiest kind of audience, but still appreciative of Charice and her talent.


Now I wonder if this type of behavior or uncontrolled expression of appreciation for an exceptional talent is more common for the westerners and is alien or taboo to the Filipinos! But as I have seen in Charice's latest performance in Las Vegas, where about 80 % of the audience was clearly Filipino, I could see that the "rowdy" show of appreciation was understandably initiated by Filipinos, including standing ovation. (they didn't bother waiting for the end of the song and sometimes you'd think that they'd rather stand all throughout Charice's performance)


I find it quite subduing to see her own kind give Charice less than what foreigners give her. In terms of appreciation and recognition. It is sad, but I guess maybe it's like getting a praise or appreciative comment from family. You cannot and probably should not expect the same kind of expression of appreciation you would get from a non-family member for something you did for a relative. By blood or affinity, it is expected that you do it out of duty and thats what family is for. But doing the very same thing for someone else whom you have no blood relationship whatsoever, I guess would naturally get more appreciation because it was done or given not out of duty but charity. (HHHMMM I wonder if that makes sense) That's how I would think the comparrison of the FIlipino audience's expression to Charice is against the way the foreign audiences show their appreciation for CHarice. It sounds like a far fetch and lame excuse to try and defend the Filipinos but I can sort of understand where Noellen is coming from.


And then again, as we continue to observe, it sort of hits you in the face and sooner or later it's going to go back to what that pretty young nurse writer of Chariceworld often quotes from the bible,(I wonder how she does that) "A prophet is honored except in his own town". This is very clear with the treatment of Jesus by the people of His own hometown when they heard of the magnificent things Jesus was doing and implied disbelief because He was just the son of one of the town's very own struggling carpenters. And scary so to say this but His "cababayans", through their high priests were the ones who initiated the bad talk and accusations that lead to creating a probable cause for His arrest and trial. Well this is just as far fetched again guys . But I really did enjoy the exercise. I haven't had this in a long time. Thanks and as 18wheeler said or would say, "rock on". LOL


 



From: Jesicho
08/17/2009 08:37:55


noellen_dines wrote:

hahah jessicho,,,, I read some post similar to yours,,, and I
believe its a cultural diffrence,,, like the hugging thing for
example,,,

In my place,, Mountain Province,,, we do not do
standing ovation to appreciate,,, we can play the drums or gongs
instead,,, or we stomp our feet,,

And maybe some Filipnos will say that we Igorots are the least appreciative because we do not shout too,, hehehe

I observed in other places, they clap and shout too,,, you seldom see an audience in US who shout on top of their voice to show appreciation,..



Here in Hongkong,, I do not see satnding ovation too,,, they chant and yell...

Again,,
as a Filipino,,, when I read somebody saying that Filipinos are the
worst audience, I am hurt,,, and to those guys,,,,did you obsreve every
audience f this world,..

I watched the preliminary judjing of
Miss Universe this morning,,, I am surprised that when Miss Philippines
was called,,, audience roared,,, meaning,,, some Filipino audience were
there,, they are not the worst audience,, I can say they are best
audience in that room,,,, hehehe

Hi Noellen !

Thanks for taking the time to write on my Blog.

Please
do not feel hurt as I am not making a blanket statement on the Filipino
Audiences in PI, I am simply speaking in general terms based on
observations of many videos and by Charice's comment that it seems
easier to pls the Audience (Filipinos included) in the USA.

I was just curious why that would be the case and if it really was true.

So
please do not feel hurt. This was simply an educational exercise and
perhaps you are right maybe it has a lot to do with the differences in
culture - who knows.

Take care,


Cheers,


Jesicho





From: Jesicho
08/17/2009 08:32:27


AlexG wrote:

jesicho... as always, you got me thinking again about this subject. And that's dangerous....lol.



Are PI fans really harder to please? Or are they more reserved and shy in expressing their feelings? Or is it a manifestation of the colonial influence on their culture?



Perhaps someone from PI could give some answers to these questions. Many American singers have performed in PI recently, I think... Beyonce, Jordin Sparks, Journey, Lady Gaga, David Archuleta and David Cook. I would like to hear from those who have been to one these concerts and also seen Charice, whether there is a difference in the demeanor of the PI fans. Were they more open and enthusiastic to the foreign artists compared to Charice?



If PI fans are more accepting of the American artists, then this will lend credence to the idea that it has something to do with the colonial past. Consider this... there are so many good singers in there, many already established and many more wishing to be recognized. As they say, it's dime a dozen. So PI fans are not readily moved by PI singers.... they hear many day in, day out. What they may be looking for is some validation from foreign fans.



Hopefully, we will soon find out. If Charice new album makes the hit charts in US and around the world, the PI fans reception of Charice after that will settle the argument. I bet they will appreciate her more than the American artists, a sign that many in PI want to break loose of their colonial chains.


Alex,

If
it is the case that they need validation from foreign fans in order to
have a greater appreciation of the artist, then have we not added an
element to the equation of the Filipino Audience in PI that does not
seem to be existent in other public audiences? And if PI singers are
really viewed as a dime a dozen (which would be very unfortunate
because there are a lot of great singers in PI) then would that not
lead one to conclude that regardless of what song they sang or
performed the end result and/or appreciation for said singer will
always be qualified by the fact that they are Filipino? From a logical
perspective, if one answers both questions in the affirmative, would it
not be fair to say that the Filipino Audience in PI (in general) is
harder to please ?

I really hope
that the reality of the situation is that both questions can be
answered in the negative because that would mean that the Filipino
Audiences in PI are judging the singers by their talent and not linking
their appreciation for the singers to some intangible irrelevant
factor. For at the end of the day, the Philippines has a tremendous
amount of talented singers and it would be such a darn shame if the
appreciation for their performances and talent was qualified by non
consequential items.

Now, 18 and
you bring up an interesting point maybe the Filipino Audiences in PI
are just shy and very reserved. If that is the case, then should it not
hold true that Filipino Audiences outside PI would follow in the same
suit? I have seen the Charice videos in Vegas and the videos in PI -
pls correct me if I am wrong but weren't the Filipino Audiences in the
USA much more expressive ?

Just more to ponder on - a little mental gymnastics - hehe

And
to those reading this blog please note I am not making a blanket
statement here on Filipino Audiences in PI as I am fully aware of the
fact that there are many Filipinos in the Philippines who are very
expressive in their appreciation of Charice. I am simply speaking in
general terms.

By the way, I am
confident (as I am sure you are) that Charice's album will take the
world by storm. Her voice is just to.......undeniable!!! And to Quote
18 "CHARICE ROCKS....CHARICE RULZ...." - hehe


Jesicho






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